jeff, what's your reaction to what mr. ferras says? >> first, it's important to put into political context what he's saying. hatred of the united nations is now a bedrock principle of the conservative movement in this country. so anything relating to the united states -- the united nations, even something as uncontroversial as this treaty, draws objections based on hypothetical and as far as i can tell, extremely far fetched ideas about what the treaty might do. >> he said there are many cases of u.n. treaty becoming u.s. law. u.n. treaty superseding u.s. law, becoming the law of the land. >> a, not true. as far as i am aware in any significant case. >> he cites a multitude of cases. >> i was familiar with one of the cases he cited, the bond case, which was not in the supreme court about the treaty obligation to the united states at all. >> the united nations? >> the united nations. no, no. the treaty obligations of the united states under the united nations at all. the other point is that the congress has said, john kerry, who is chai